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[12:41:57] Speaker 1 [FR]
Hello and welcome to our lunchtime meeting today. And we have a few announcements for you before taking your questions. First of all, President von der Leyen's agenda for next week, since it's Friday. So, on Monday, the President will begin her mission in the Black Sea region, in Bucharest, where she will meet the Romanian President. Dan and Prime Minister Nicolescu. On Tuesday, she will be in Varna, in Bulgaria, where she will meet Prime Minister Radev and visit the Academy. She will visit the Nikola Vavtsarov Naval Academy. On Wednesday, President von der Leyen will attend the United Nations climate change conference, COP31, in Antalya, Turkey. And on Thursday, she will attend the meeting of the European Political Community, this time in Dublin, Ireland, and on Friday, also in Dublin, President von der Leyen will attend the informal meeting of members of the European Council. So that is the intense agenda of the President. And now, I would like to invite Thomas to join me in making an announcement regarding the Digital Services Act.

[12:43:41] Speaker 2 [EN]
Merci. Hola. So, today the Commission preliminarily found TikToks for YouFeed in breach of the Digital Services Act. Why? Because TikToks personalized feed shows content that causes harm if viewed in repetition. Self-harm videos, body image, weight loss, depressing content. The longer and more you engage with such content, the more TikTok will show it to you. This pulls users into harmful loops of content: the so-called rabbit holes. This has to stop because it has an impact on users. Anxiety, sadness, lower self-esteem, and mental health issues to name just a few. Even more, if this is shown to children or vulnerable adults. At this stage, we consider that TikTok must change the design of its for YouFeed in Europe. Disable watch time and views as indicators to recommend content. Rely on users explicit choices of content. And ensure the refresh feed button is permanent, not temporary. TikTok now has the full right to defend itself and to access our entire investigation file to effectively remedy the situation.

[12:45:04] Speaker 1 [EN]
Thank you, Thomas, for this very important piece of news. And. Now, to conclude our announcements, I would like to extend a very warm welcome to our visitors today, 60 of you, joining us here in the press room. And you are the members of the Secretariat-General in Portugal, linked to the government, and leading with media. And you are also students from the College of Europe and we also have some students from Panthéon-Sorbonne.

[12:45:46] Speaker 1 [FR]
So, welcome to all,

[12:45:48] Speaker 1 [PT]
welcome to all,

[12:45:50] Speaker 1 [EN]
it's a pleasure,

[12:45:51] Speaker 1 [PT]
it is a pleasure

[12:45:52] Speaker 1 [FR]
it is truly a pleasure to have you all here with us. And we hope that you will make the most of this day. Here and here in the press room. And that’s all for our announcements, and we can take your questions.

[12:46:10] Speaker 1 [EN]
We'll start here in the very middle.

[12:46:17] Výbor Vlainič (Croatian Radio Television) [EN]
Thank you very much.

[12:46:19] Výbor Vlainič (Croatian Radio Television) [SK]
Vlainić Committee, Croatian Radio Television.

[12:46:21] Výbor Vlainič (Croatian Radio Television) [EN]
It's a follow-up from a couple of days ago question about the letter that 26 MEPs sent to the European Commission regarding safeguards on electrical steel imports, which they argue are raising costs and weakening the competitiveness of European Union transformers manufacturers. So do you have a reaction on that? Thank you.

[12:46:45] Speaker 1 [EN]
Thank you for coming back on this. We had now the possibility to check where we are on it, and Olof will tell us.

[12:46:54] Speaker 2 [EN]
Thank you for your question, Vibor. I can confirm that we have received the letter. I can confirm that we are assessing its contents, and I can confirm that we will issue a reply in due course, as Paolo already indicated on Tuesday.

[12:47:08] Speaker 1 [EN]
Good. Other questions for Olof? Today? Not the case. Yes, Vitali? Not for Olof? Okay, go ahead.

[12:47:23] Vitali Sizdov (Freedom TV channel) [EN]
Vitali Sizdov, Freedom TV channel. Do you have some updates about negotiations on prosperity of Ukraine which took place on Wednesday and Thursday? And the President of the United States, Donald Trump, he announced some big, beautiful deal on peace in Europe, and he said that all will be thrilled of this deal. Do you know something, some details? What's the main features of this deal? Thank you.

[12:47:57] Speaker 1 [EN]
Thank you, Vitali. So, to update you, and here some of it you already probably know, the Commission hosted talks this week on Wednesday here in the Parlement as part of the ongoing efforts to secure a sustainable peace for Ukraine. We had with us delegations from Ukraine, obviously, from Germany, France, the UK, the United States, as well as NATO and the World Bank, and said the EU represented and the Commission hosting. And we met to discuss Ukraine's post-war reconstruction and prosperity, something to which we very much look forward, meaning this can only happen obviously once we have peace finally in Ukraine. These talks follow early meetings, notably in Miami and build on the work that we had initiated quite a while ago and that on the prosperity framework that had been developed already earlier this year together with Ukraine and the United States. And as we go forward, we are refining the scenarios for Ukraine's post-war economic development and prosperities. This includes, identifying the instruments and tools that can support Ukraine's future development and Ukraine's own efforts. So. There in these talks, emphasis is also put on the reform agenda by Ukraine, which is a key driver for stability and is in turn also boosting the investor confidence and is playing a role in attracting the private capital that will be needed in order to reconstruct this country after this devastating war that has been going on for the past years. So these talks continue. We are advancing. It's good that these could be resumed after quite some time where discussions hadn't taken place. And so there is now full engagement. There was always full engagement from our side. Now, as to the. Statement. That you referred to from President Trump, we all wish that we will have a peace deal soon. We are all working in that regard. And we look forward to seeing it materialize. But there's a lot of work that needs to go into it. And above all, there needs to be a willingness on the side of the one who first started

[12:51:15] Speaker 1 [EN]
the war, the one who aggressed and which said there's a very long way to go there, because we haven't seen much movement on that side. David.

[12:51:30] David Carretta (Radio Radicale) [EN]
Yes, thank you, Paola. David Carretta, Radio Radicale. Was. The Commission. And Chief of Staff of the President invited and did he participate in the second meeting that took place yesterday organized by NATO? And since in those meetings, this meeting security guarantees and the security architecture of Europe was discussed, what was the position or what is the position of the Commission on that specific issue? Thank you.

[12:52:12] Speaker 1 [EN]
So David, I can confirm that he was represented also at the meeting hosted by NATO yesterday both by the European Commission and a team from the Council. And yes, these are topics that are being discussed. In terms of security guarantees, on the one hand we have the discussion on the security guarantees for Ukraine, and we have the discussion on a European security architecture. And there, if you will recall, we even have Council conclusions referring very clearly to the European security architecture as recently as from last month, October, where it is clearly stated in the European Council conclusions that the European Union will decide on matters of its competence or affecting its security. And obviously we very well know that Russia's war of aggression against Ukraine is a threat to Europe's security and challenges the international rules-based order itself and hence we are committed to address this. Topic which is of fundamental importance and obviously of direct concern for us. Yes, please. Wait. You're still on this topic.

[12:53:48] Max Laney (AFP) [EN]
Hi, Max Laney, AFP. Just following up on this. I. Didn't fully understand. Can you just tell us, does the EU believe that re-examining the European security architecture to take into account Russia's security concerns as the US is saying it wants to do is something that needs to be done as part of a deal to end the fighting in Ukraine? Or do you think this isn't necessary?

[12:54:17] Speaker 1 [EN]
As. I mentioned and as I referred to, there's even a statement at EU, European Council level confirming. Reiterating that it's obviously up to the European Union, to decide on matters which affect its security and on matters which are of its competence. Yes, please.

[12:54:46] Speaker 3 [EN]
Also, on this topic, Tatyana Vysotska from Ukraine. Is the EU sending someone to participate on site in the meeting in Abu Dhabi? I know that at the table there will be no European representatives, but just on site will be anyone. Thank you.

[12:55:03] Speaker 1 [EN]
Thank you. On the next upcoming meetings and their format, I have no further information to share at this point in time. Other questions still on this topic? Yes, Gabriele.

[12:55:20] Gabriele Rosano (Avvenire) [EN]
Thank you, Paola. Gabriele Rosano with Italian newspaper Avvenire. Apologies for the low voice. Yesterday there has been an exchange of letters on the other side of the street between the Italian Prime Minister and the President of the European Council. On the need to speak with one voice on negotiations for Ukraine. Since the President is a member of the European Council, I would like to know whether you were in the loop when it comes to these contacts and secondly, there is an interesting remark that President Costa writes in his answer saying that the European Union's interests need to be represented by its institutions in accordance with the treaties the fellow alumni from the College of Europe will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that the external representation of the Union is a matter for the President of the European Council. Is that something that you would agree with? Thank you.

[12:56:16] Speaker 1 [EN]
Thank you, Gabriele. So first of all, yes, we are aware of the letter addressed by Prime Minister Meloni to the President of the European Council Costa and the leaders all the. Members of the European Council therefore also President von der Leyen received this letter. And first, we fully agree that we must be involved, that Europe must be involved in the talks aiming at a sustainable and lasting peace in Ukraine and that determine Ukraine's security as we also just covered. And we fully agree that we need to be united, coherent and determined in defending our interests in supporting Ukraine. And you quoted a particular part of the reply by President Costa. It's in the use the EU's interests need to be represented by its institutions in line with the treaties we are in agreement with that. Other questions on a different topic? Yes, Chris.

[12:57:34] Chris Powers (Kyiv Independent) [EN]
Thanks, Paola. It's Chris Powers, Kyiv Independent. I think I have a question for Siobhan. About sanctions and yesterday's meetings. So I saw a LinkedIn post from Commissioner Albuquerque where she mentions a couple of cool things. One is the EU crypto sanctions task force. The other is a dedicated EU sanctions office. I'm wondering what you can tell us about it. It sounds super cool. I hope it is. Thanks.

[12:58:04] Speaker 1 [EN]
Well, we'd like it when our measures are cool. And super cool. Siobhan, tell us more about these measures posted by Commissioner Albuquerque.

[12:58:17] Speaker 4 [EN]
Good afternoon, everyone. And hi, Chris. Indeed, yesterday we had the meeting of the high-level meeting of sanctions coordinators from across the EU's member states. Along with the meeting of sanctions coordinators from our member states and the G7 and several of our international partners. And of course, one of the things that we continue to do is to exert maximum pressure on Russia to end their illegal war in Ukraine. And that's something that obviously we have been consistent in doing across four years of war and 21 sanctions packages. And as most of you probably know, we are working on our 22nd sanctions package right now. One of the things that the President did say, and this is just to give a bit of context about yesterday's announcement related to the sanctions office, is that she did say in the letter of intent that accompanied the State of the Union's speech is that in order to keep up the pressure on Russia, we would do everything we could to strengthen our approach to sanctions enforcement. And in each and every sanctions package, of course, we're looking at ways we can close loopholes and tackle circumvention. So that's why yesterday we announced at the meeting, the high-level meeting of sanctions coordinators, the creation of this new sanctions office inside the Commission that will bring together the Commission's work on the entire economic sanctions lifecycle. So from policy design to outreach, implementation and of course circumvention. And the idea is to of course give member states quicker access to guidance, data sharing, economic and technical analysis and ensure that we are harmonizing the implementation and enforcement of our sanctions. So that we can continue to maximize their impact on Russia itself. Did I miss, did you ask another question about, sorry, the crypto task force. Sorry, I indeed. So one of the other measures that Commissioner Albuquerque announced yesterday at the meeting with the coordinators was the creation of a task force on crypto sanctions.

[13:00:27] Speaker 4 [EN]
As you've heard us say here from the podium at midday, we know that crypto is a tool that has been used to circumvent our sanctions. It's a very fast evolving world. And the idea in setting up this informal task force is to bring together expertise from across the Commission and from member states to look at how we can continue to design measures that close this as a tool of circumvention.

[13:00:53] Speaker 1 [EN]
Thank you. And you're right, Chris. Cool measures. Other questions to Siobhan? I don't see any. Thank you, Siobhan. Other topics? Razia.

[13:01:10] Razia Akoch (AFP News Agency) [EN]
Thank you. Razia Akoch, AFP News Agency. I just have one question. It probably might be for you and then I do have a question on digital but maybe Tomer can answer the first. First thing I wanted to ask is I believe that Madam President von der Leyen will be going to Miami. And because I know that she's really keen to meet the frontier labs and the CEOs, I just wondered if she had any plans to do that. I can let you answer that question then I can ask my other question if that's better.

[13:01:40] Speaker 1 [EN]
That's fine. That's also fine. Razia. So regarding the G20 Leaders Summit, later this year in December, in the US we don't have yet a finalized program. So for the moment I cannot say what if any other events President von der Leyen will be participating beyond the summit itself. But we'll get back to that nearer to the event in December. And now you have another question for Tomer. Go ahead.

[13:02:14] Speaker 5 [EN]
Thank you. It's a question related to the announcement today on TikTok. What I did want to know is we had in February that there were that you asked for the addictive design to be changed. The European Commission did. And then now we have this demand for changes to tackle harmful rabbit holes effect. And we've also had previous issues about settings. I know this is a facetious question but allow me. Are we going towards a moment where Europe's going to argue that it should own the European TikTok à la US and Trump? And considering your challenging the business model of a platform, do you think the European Commission is going too far? And are you prepared for what could be a very difficult fight? Thank you.

[13:03:09] Speaker 1 [EN]
Razia that you would be welcoming the news this morning that Tomer just shared. But Tomer, go ahead.

[13:03:16] Speaker 2 [EN]
Thanks, Razia. I would put it the other way around. I don't think that the Commission is going too far. We believe that TikTok is not going far enough to protect our citizens. It's the other way around. So what is currently at stake? Well, these are preliminary findings. Let me be extremely clear about this. We have a company on the other side that is cooperative. Let's recall this. TikTok is cooperative. But this these preliminary findings are not minor ones. The first ones indeed were an addictive designs. These are the addictive features the system. Here this one is more about content. That is not necessarily illegal. That doesn't have to be removed. It's not about content moderation. Absolutely not. It's about content that if shown in repetition to our citizens could lead to anxiety, to stress and to mental health issues. So of course we expect now that the platform changes and this is our preliminary view. Again, TikTok can now defend itself. But at the current stage of things, we believe that TikTok has to change its business model in Europe to be compliant and to effectively protect our citizens. Now do we want to have a European TikTok, an American TikTok, an Asian TikTok? It's not for me to say from this podium because it doesn't change anything about compliance. Be it European, be it American, be it Asian, compliance and the obligations will be exactly the same.

[13:04:40] Speaker 1 [EN]
Thank you, Tomer. Other questions to Tomer? No? Tomer? No? No? Okay. Yes? Anouk here.

[13:04:59] Speaker 6 [EN]
Hi. Thank you. Anouk here from Rapid Toll. Just to follow up to understand how does the Commission see the business structure of TikTok right now? So if it were to find TikTok for any of the five findings it has had so far, how do you see the company structure of TikTok? Thank you.

[13:05:18] Speaker 2 [EN]
Thanks, Anouk. It's a bit premature because how would we go about it? First, let's give TikTok now the right to defend itself. They will have access to our entire investigation file all our documents and on that basis they will be able to defend themselves and hopefully to offer commitments. This is what we want because we want a change of behavior for our citizens. Now should this dialogue not be effective enough? And should this lead to a non-compliance decision? We would then establish a fine based on the gravity the duration and the nature of the breach if we get there. And only at that stage we would at the very final step would be to check the corporate structure of the company to make sure that the fine would come up with does not exceed the 6% turnover global one of the provider. So that's premature. Let's now give time to TikTok to engage with us. We will definitely faithfully engage with TikTok to try to settle the case rather to reach a non-compliance decision from whom nobody would benefit and especially not our citizens.

[13:06:22] Speaker 1 [EN]
Thank you. Other questions to Tomer? Razia. Still for Tomer. Second one. Go ahead.

[13:06:33] Speaker 5 [EN]
It's on another topic. It's related to so next week the EU leaders and Madam von der Leyen will also be there. We'll discuss AI. So first I wanted to ask the Chinese envoy yesterday had said China is ready to expand exchanges and cooperation with the EU on AI. And jointly advance global AI governance. So that's one side. Then we now have the Congress where both the House and the Senate are Democrat. So I wondered from that summit is the European Commission's hope that there will be greater efforts for global governance? Because she spoke about it in a Sotheo speech. So what is there more of a hopeful feeling in the Commission after the Congress results? Thank you.

[13:07:18] Speaker 1 [EN]
Razia. And you're right to quote and right correctly so. The President when she calls for global efforts to address what is a clearly global issue both on the opportunities it offers and the risks it brings. So we will continue to call for global effort to approach AI. And in the meantime as you know we have also our own regulatory framework which is addressing the challenges within Europe. But Tomer.

[13:07:57] Speaker 2 [EN]
Nothing to add. Nothing to add. From the summit I mean I expectation from the summit let me not prejudge what will be discussed there. But definitely our position has always been the same. No matter with which partners and what administration is on the other side I mean we want to cooperate with our global partners as Paula has just said. These are shared challenges. We have seen many incidents recently. We have an appropriate legislative framework with the AI Act in place. So let us focus now on addressing these risks at global level.

[13:08:37] Speaker 1 [EN]
Thank you, Tomer. Behind David. Then I'll come to David.

[13:08:49] Victoria English (MedNows) [EN]
Yes. Victoria English from MedNows. Could you please bring us up to date on the situation with Google now that we've had the digital services act on the table today?

[13:09:04] Speaker 2 [EN]
Thank you. Our cooperation with Alphabet definitely continues. We had a non-compliance decision that was issued in July. Discussions are pretty much on their way when it comes to Alphabet here again to have an appropriate solution offered to our citizens and businesses.

[13:09:26] Speaker 1 [EN]
David.

[13:09:30] Speaker 3 [EN]
Thank you, Paula. It's a follow up on the summit. Next week informal European Council and artificial intelligence. Should we expect a report by the special envoy that is working on industrial application of AI next week before the summit or. Contribution for this meeting? Thank you.

[13:10:00] Speaker 1 [EN]
Thank you, David. You are right that the special envoy will come up with a report. For the moment I'm not able to confirm to you whether this will be already shared in advance of next week's informal council. But we should know very soon. Okay. In the back. Still to Tomer. No? Let me just be sure that we don't have any other questions for Tomer. No? Then we can take the question there. In the back.

[13:10:32] Gina Smylick (The New York Times) [EN]
Great. Thank you. Gina. Gina Smylick from The New York Times. I was just wondering if you had any updates on the hybrid attacks or whatever they were that we saw yesterday the bomb threats that grounded a lot of planes. And whether there's any further information whether the Commission or the European Union broadly are looking into that in any way.

[13:10:53] Speaker 1 [EN]
Gina. Yeah. We'll have Anna Kaiser sharing with us the latest.

[13:11:05] Speaker 5 [EN]
We take these threats very seriously. Any threats against civilians are absolutely unacceptable. And it is our top priority to secure and ensure the safety and security of our cities. So what we are doing in these situations where the main responsibility to investigate and look into these matters rests with the member states is that we are in touch for example with our European Aviation Safety Agency which looks into the safety aviation safety aspects. And whether these security threats might have any impact on aviation safety where they can take action. What we have been seeing so far concern aviation security. That means we are we are obvious as Commission where the regulator we have rules in place that concern aviation security. For example screening of passengers screening of cargo etc. And the implementation of all these rules and investigation of any security threats are with member states. So our job at this moment is to coordinate amongst member states to have a full visibility full picture of what is happening for this reason Commissioner yesterday Commissioner Tsitsikostas who is responsible for transport he was in touch with our aviation safety agency and we have activated the EU level information sharing mechanism. It is something that is chaired by the European Commission and they meet they have participants from member states and they exchange information. So this is what the Commission is doing at this moment in addition to being obviously in very close contact with national authorities in terms of getting information what is happening.

[13:13:03] Speaker 1 [EN]
Yes. Nicolas.

[13:13:09] Nicholas Kummer (Rapporteur) [EN]
Thank you so much. Nicholas Kummer for Rapporteur. I understand that there has been a group that claimed responsibility for these attacks or threats or whatever we want to call it. Can you share with us what the Commission's assessment is? Is that a genuine claim for being behind these threats?

[13:13:30] Speaker 1 [EN]
No. I cannot. It is not our responsibility to look into the threats or to investigate them. It is for national authorities and we keep our commenting to where we have competence and it is indeed not to go into any investigative role on this. Indeed. Thank you, Anna Kaiser. Any other questions to Anna Kaiser today? No? Yes please. Go ahead.

[13:14:02] Speaker 6 [EN]
My question is for Balasz. It's about financing Ukraine. Yesterday Ukraine received more than 3 billion euros of disbursement and more than 20 billion is still not disbursed for this year. And I'm wondering do you have any plans how it will be disbursed because it's not a lot of time left until the end of the year and if some of this amount of money especially for defense which is almost 20 12 billion euros left will be not disbursed this year next year will it be considered at the as the help for 2026 or it will be considered at as the 2027. Thank you.

[13:14:54] Speaker 3 [EN]
Indeed. What is important is that the reform agenda is moving forward now and that's very important we we welcome that and it is important to keep up the pace and continue the momentum of of reforms. Now because of this yesterday as you say we were able to disburse about 4. 4 billion euro to Ukraine mainly for budget support purposes but also for defense. But there's more in the pipeline indeed. We have about 20 billion euro and 390 billion program which is still available this year and it's important to carry on with the reforms so that we can unlock the remaining funding which remains the objective. We want to get to 45 billion euro by the end of this year under under the loan. Let me just add to that that we had another positive step forward last week. We at the Commission adopted what we call the financing strategy for next year for Ukraine. That sets out the structure of the funding for the upcoming upcoming year. It is now with the Council and according to that we can calculate with about 30 30 32 billion euro for defense and the rest for budget budget support. That would be the way to go for next year.

[13:16:04] Speaker 1 [EN]
And a follow-up. Yes. Very small follow-up.

[13:16:10] Speaker 6 [EN]
Are you sure that you will disburse all the 20 billion this year? Thank you.

[13:16:17] Speaker 3 [EN]
We are. We are certain of of our determination to get to the target which is 45 billion. Of course a lot hinges on the on the reforms. We have been saying that for a long time. Now there is a positive momentum. There is good progress. The reform agenda is clearly moving forward and it is important to keep up the pace.

[13:16:36] Speaker 1 [EN]
Yes. No further questions to Balasz. Any other questions? Yes please.

[13:16:46] Speaker 7 [EN]
Hi Paula. Karina Müller TVR Moldova. I have a question on Moldova. I think it'll be for Christian. On Wednesday Vladimir Putin has personally awarded Russian state owner to Vadim Krasnoselsky who is so-called leader for Transnistrian region. Putin praised him for protecting the Russian language and defending and I'm quoting historical truth and so on. The ceremony comes just weeks before the elections in the region. Scheduled for 13 December. Meanwhile Moldova's Prime Minister has called the the visit a provocation and announced restrictions on Krasnoselsky's future travel. I understand that the Commission won't comment on internal domestical affairs but this was a public gesture from the from the Russian President. How do you how do you see or how do you assess the move by the this move by the Kremlin especially its timing just weeks before the elections in the region and do you see it as a political message for Moscow as a time on Moldova it's moving forward in its accession path. Thank you very much.

[13:17:56] Speaker 3 [EN]
Yeah. Thank you for your question. What I can say in this context is that we reiterate our unwavering support for the independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity of the Republic of Moldova. Within its internationally recognized borders and remain committed to peaceful, comprehensive, and lasting settlement of the Transnistrian conflict. Let us recall that Russia officially committed at the 1999 OSCE Istanbul Summit to the withdrawal of its troops from the Transnistrian region. This. Decision by the Kremlin is part of Russia's playbook to perpetuate the division of Moldova and undermine any prospects of dialogue between Chisinau and Tiraspol.

[13:18:44] Speaker 1 [EN]
Good. Thank you. Christian. Are there questions on foreign affairs? Let me see. I still had a hand raised online. Oliver. Oliver Grimm.

[13:18:58] Speaker 2 [EN]
Yeah. Hi. Actually it's not foreign affairs but I'd like to know something about the European Public Prosecutor's Office's announcement that it launched investigations into possible fraud of EU funds in Spain. Particularly on the maintenance of the railway connection that was so tragically now the place where where two two major train accidents happened this year. So I'd be interested in who in the Commission is is the Commission following this. Are you looking into this? Have you yourself looked into whether EU funds for Spanish Spain's rail system is properly used and more generally how much money did Spain actually get in recent years to to upgrade and to to renovate its high-speed rail system? Thank you.

[13:19:49] Speaker 1 [EN]
Thank you. Oliver.

[13:19:50] Speaker 7 [EN]
So there are several questions there. On the European Public Prosecutor's Office? And of course we don't respond for you.

[13:20:04] Speaker 3 [EN]
Oliver, thanks very much for the question but you know you know the EPO is an independent body and I can only ask you to address questions regarding their investigations and their activities at two this body.

[13:20:20] Speaker 7 [EN]
Correct. Okay. And. We don't have nothing else to add looking at the team. Okay. I don't see any other questions for us today and it's late on a Friday thank you for your participation for your questions wish you a very nice weekend.